Lumbar Support or Lumbar Abuse?…

Here’s another ‘myth busting bomb’ on the Painless Kayak Fishing blog: It’s called “Kayaks, Back Problems, Lumbar Support – and the Simple Truth”

Basically, it details how sit-in and SOT kayak seats don’t offer lumbar support but rather inflict lumbar abuse on kayak paddlers and kayak fishermen alike.

Personally, the more I think of it the I’m outraged by what’s going on in the kayak market, and professionally, I’m dumbfounded by the fact that you hardly hear anybody talking about these big and painful issues that affect so many people.

It may be a ‘dirty little secret’ for those kayak professionals who are aware of it, but it’s a major problem for all those regular people who don’t.



  1. Marco

    Conspiracy? 😀

  2. admin

    Nah, just people selling lousy products and hyping their products so much and for so long that they manage to establish a ‘consensus’.

  3. Pete

    You mean to say “nonsensus”? 😉


  4. admin

    😀 😀 😀

  5. Jeff McGovern

    Much of the problem comes from taking a one time play toy and converting it into a fishing craft. Sit on tops which dominate the angling market came from craft folks used as water toys. Not much time was spent really in them as much as it was jumping on and off playing in the water. Then when the fishing market expanded and they were discovered people spent much lionger periods of time in them and then problems began. The kayak firms seeing the potential death of the golden goose came back with all sorts of fancy padding and “ergonomic” seating all desgined to keep you on board in some contrived form of comfort. Entire firms came about who marketed ways to keep people happy long enough to sell the stuff. I’ve used a variety of boats over the years and this issue never came up until kayaks started growing in popularity. I remember all my years of canoing and of course you were either using your knees or up on a much higher seat and could stand if needed. When fishing kayaks hit here in Florida we already had a huge canoe fishing market going. Nobody complained about pain using their canoes. But when the kayaks came about you started to see folks wandering the shore line with kayaks parked close at hand. I’m so glad Yoav is bringing these issues to light. They exist but are the issue that could kill kayak fishing as we now see it. I’m sure the next thing we will see is firms every so slowly continuing to make the seats higher and get folks out of the L position. An interesting note for other boats is one I have in our fleet here. It’s called a CraigCat a small powered cat with seating that is a modified L position. On mine I have put in higher seats and still ride it upright when I can since the original L position even in a padded bass boat style seat still is a killer. Yoav’s saddle in the W may be far more revolutionary than it looks. The riding position in the W is the best comfort seating a kayaker could ask for to enjoy a full day on the water.

  6. admin


    “Much of the problem comes from taking a one time play toy and converting it into a fishing craft.”

    This is a great insight that sheds some more light on the frivolity driving much of this business.

    You’re also right about the saddle – When I designed it I was thinking more about stand up paddling. Since then, together with customers suffering from back problems we discovered the ergonomic benefits of it, and still are.

    With your permission, I’ll take this new comment of yours and turn it into a blog post on its own.


  7. Moshiko

    They’ll use more words to sell you more foam…
    Empty words to sell air bubbles trapped in plastic 😉


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