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		<title>By: W kayak</title>
		<link>http://wavewalk.com/blog/2008/01/29/getting-trapped-in-a-kayak/#comment-7096</link>
		<dc:creator>W kayak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Floyyd,
Most people think that kayaking should be fun, and not require constant practicing of the Eskimo Roll with nose clips, tight spray skirts, getting wet. etc.
Most people have never adhered to your favorite kayaking techniques, and the number of people who did has dwindled to a trickle in recent years. 
Traditional sea kayaking has lost whatever little appeal it had a decade or two ago.
People want to have fun paddling stable and dry kayaks, and not worry about whether their Eskimo Roll is bombproof or not. 
Most people don&#039;t even want to consider the possibility of entrapment in a SIK, and they don&#039;t want to think about the odds of getting entrapped, or merely being unable to accomplish a good roll, and &#039;let gravity do it&#039;s thing...&#039; .
People like yourself should not delude themselves that your favorite kayaking techniques still have some appeal to the public - they don&#039;t.

And BTW, the W kayak features deep hulls, not pontoons, and we prefer showing the W kayak with real people in real-life situations, as much as possible, rather than stage situations and pay supreme athletes to demonstrate our product. It&#039;s not our way.
I&#039;m afraid you won&#039;t find an attentive audience on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floyyd,<br />
Most people think that kayaking should be fun, and not require constant practicing of the Eskimo Roll with nose clips, tight spray skirts, getting wet. etc.<br />
Most people have never adhered to your favorite kayaking techniques, and the number of people who did has dwindled to a trickle in recent years.<br />
Traditional sea kayaking has lost whatever little appeal it had a decade or two ago.<br />
People want to have fun paddling stable and dry kayaks, and not worry about whether their Eskimo Roll is bombproof or not.<br />
Most people don&#8217;t even want to consider the possibility of entrapment in a SIK, and they don&#8217;t want to think about the odds of getting entrapped, or merely being unable to accomplish a good roll, and &#8216;let gravity do it&#8217;s thing&#8230;&#8217; .<br />
People like yourself should not delude themselves that your favorite kayaking techniques still have some appeal to the public &#8211; they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And BTW, the W kayak features deep hulls, not pontoons, and we prefer showing the W kayak with real people in real-life situations, as much as possible, rather than stage situations and pay supreme athletes to demonstrate our product. It&#8217;s not our way.<br />
I&#8217;m afraid you won&#8217;t find an attentive audience on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyyd Walker</title>
		<link>http://wavewalk.com/blog/2008/01/29/getting-trapped-in-a-kayak/#comment-7095</link>
		<dc:creator>Floyyd Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy the design of this boat, especially for an angler.  However, based on the comments and video&#039;s and designs, I think your sales pitch and figures are off a bit.

I have been kayaking for 13 years and teach new kayakers how to paddle rec boats (SIK)&#039;s. The only real concern is if your foot gets caught while capsizing, wet exiting, or you get caught in a pinned situation in white-water or an undertow.  Entrapment is extremely rare, though the most likely reasons people are afraid of kayaking. If you capsize, gravity pulls you out.  I always wear a spray-skirt and understanding how to wet-exit is something you need to learn before you wear one. Spray-skirits can also get stuck by improper fastening of the pull-cord. One should always carry a small knife in their PFD to prevent this or other &quot;snags&quot;. 

I think the averaged (Semi-Seasoned) kayak could get back in a SIK faster than your video. I paddle all sorts of boats, and I enjoy my modified ocean cockpit that requires a rather difficult wet-exit if I cannot perform a Bomb-Proof Eskimo Roll.  The video depicts a man getting back on-top of the boat. There are 1/2 foot waves.  Maybe getting someone who has a little bit more skill of physical strength would help sell your product? 

Good boat though, looks like a Kayak Pontoon boat. Maybe a little bigger and you can put a small gas grill on it for cooking those well sought out fish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy the design of this boat, especially for an angler.  However, based on the comments and video&#8217;s and designs, I think your sales pitch and figures are off a bit.</p>
<p>I have been kayaking for 13 years and teach new kayakers how to paddle rec boats (SIK)&#8217;s. The only real concern is if your foot gets caught while capsizing, wet exiting, or you get caught in a pinned situation in white-water or an undertow.  Entrapment is extremely rare, though the most likely reasons people are afraid of kayaking. If you capsize, gravity pulls you out.  I always wear a spray-skirt and understanding how to wet-exit is something you need to learn before you wear one. Spray-skirits can also get stuck by improper fastening of the pull-cord. One should always carry a small knife in their PFD to prevent this or other &#8220;snags&#8221;. </p>
<p>I think the averaged (Semi-Seasoned) kayak could get back in a SIK faster than your video. I paddle all sorts of boats, and I enjoy my modified ocean cockpit that requires a rather difficult wet-exit if I cannot perform a Bomb-Proof Eskimo Roll.  The video depicts a man getting back on-top of the boat. There are 1/2 foot waves.  Maybe getting someone who has a little bit more skill of physical strength would help sell your product? </p>
<p>Good boat though, looks like a Kayak Pontoon boat. Maybe a little bigger and you can put a small gas grill on it for cooking those well sought out fish?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://wavewalk.com/blog/2008/01/29/getting-trapped-in-a-kayak/#comment-1435</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameik,

You don&#039;t re-enter a W-kayak from the space between its hull tips unless you&#039;re a skinny kid. You do it riding over the boat with a leg on each side. Our website&#039;s online user manual offers re-entry instructions in case you capsize in deep water:
http://www.wavewalk.com/FISHING_KAYAK_USER_MANUAL.html#CAPSIZE_RECOVERY
That section includes an online instruction movie that was shot in moving water. I&#039;m including it here for your convenience:

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The hulls rarely get completely filled with water - usually there&#039;s more water in the hull that was lower when the boat got overturned, and the other hull either stays dry or has little water in it. 
Removing the excess water gets done quite easily, preferably with a small hand bucket, or a bilge pump.
In any case, you&#039;re not required to paddle sitting in water, since the water gets drained from the saddle to the bottom of the hulls.

Yoav</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameik,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t re-enter a W-kayak from the space between its hull tips unless you&#8217;re a skinny kid. You do it riding over the boat with a leg on each side. Our website&#8217;s online user manual offers re-entry instructions in case you capsize in deep water:<br />
<a href="http://www.wavewalk.com/FISHING_KAYAK_USER_MANUAL.html#CAPSIZE_RECOVERY" rel="nofollow">http://www.wavewalk.com/FISHING_KAYAK_USER_MANUAL.html#CAPSIZE_RECOVERY</a><br />
That section includes an online instruction movie that was shot in moving water. I&#8217;m including it here for your convenience:</p>
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<p>The hulls rarely get completely filled with water &#8211; usually there&#8217;s more water in the hull that was lower when the boat got overturned, and the other hull either stays dry or has little water in it.<br />
Removing the excess water gets done quite easily, preferably with a small hand bucket, or a bilge pump.<br />
In any case, you&#8217;re not required to paddle sitting in water, since the water gets drained from the saddle to the bottom of the hulls.</p>
<p>Yoav</p>
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		<title>By: cameik</title>
		<link>http://wavewalk.com/blog/2008/01/29/getting-trapped-in-a-kayak/#comment-1432</link>
		<dc:creator>cameik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I was noticing a small edit to my post may 20th 2008, replacing my Kayak&#039;s name with &#039;Composite, lightweight&#039;... I must correct this wording to say rotomoulded tupperware heavyweight lump!   This thing is up near 65 pounds before you load yourself and your gear into it.  I shouldn&#039;t be so harsh, it is sleek, I can paddle circles around my friend in his &quot;other brand heavier lumpier tupperware.  

Another comment was made about wiether I was afraid of grounding on rocks, and no... Longpoint Ontario is a huge sand point angled out into Lake Erie, where I have yet to find a rock anywhere on about 60 miles of beach!  This was a very big part of my choice for sea kayaking in 6 footers, not a rock to be found nope, not quite foolish enough to surf in on, say, the granite shores of Georgian Bay... 
I&#039;ve completed exactly one roll in my &#039;rotomolded tupperware heavy lump&#039; I&#039;ve attempted many, and only completed it once.  I think my kayak is more difficult than some to roll.  Once upside down, it wants to stay that way, the edge bouyancy resists righting the boat.

About kayak entrapment:  I&#039;ve found the opposite, that I have difficulty staying in the kayak to complete the roll, never mind ever feeling trapped!
If you relax at all, you simply fall out, your spray skirt releases and out you pop, you are now swimming beside a very difficult to re-enter narrow boat.  I&#039;ve completed a kayak self-rescue circus act shinnying down the hole, while trying not to tip(without the benefit of a paddle to brace with- I actually did this once without a paddle-float), strapping myself in, applying the sprayskirt, (no easy task in large waves), putting a large bilge pump down through the skirt and pumping for about 20 minutes straight to get enough water out for the kayak to be paddleable. 

There&#039;s many people very proud of thier bomb-proof rolls. And with good reason!  They are a kayaker&#039;s pinnacle achievement, maintaining your cool while water jets up into your sinuses, (unless you paddle everywhere wearing your noseclip) and thinking of the correct righting movement sequence while upside down, holding your breath, trying not to fall out, break the seal of your sprayskirt, while worried about the consequences... 
Now you really gotta respect those whitewater kayakers!  They wear a helmet for good reason! A whack to the head while carreening inverted downstream would mean you just don&#039;t quite get to even try your bomb-proof roll!  They find you 15 miles downstream... I never quite got up the courage to do serious whitewater, and now I already have enough dings, I&#039;ll stick to more relaxed pursuits, and have a little fun in the waves now and then...

How is the wavewalk when it gets swamped? How difficult is emptying the water and re-entry in rough conditions in water over your head?  It would seem to me that entry over either end between the hulls would be easy as pie, but how is it with two completely swamped pontoons and very little floatation? Maybe include a video of this on your website, as I&#039;m sure many people considering your craft might be concerned about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I was noticing a small edit to my post may 20th 2008, replacing my Kayak&#8217;s name with &#8216;Composite, lightweight&#8217;&#8230; I must correct this wording to say rotomoulded tupperware heavyweight lump!   This thing is up near 65 pounds before you load yourself and your gear into it.  I shouldn&#8217;t be so harsh, it is sleek, I can paddle circles around my friend in his &#8220;other brand heavier lumpier tupperware.  </p>
<p>Another comment was made about wiether I was afraid of grounding on rocks, and no&#8230; Longpoint Ontario is a huge sand point angled out into Lake Erie, where I have yet to find a rock anywhere on about 60 miles of beach!  This was a very big part of my choice for sea kayaking in 6 footers, not a rock to be found nope, not quite foolish enough to surf in on, say, the granite shores of Georgian Bay&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;ve completed exactly one roll in my &#8216;rotomolded tupperware heavy lump&#8217; I&#8217;ve attempted many, and only completed it once.  I think my kayak is more difficult than some to roll.  Once upside down, it wants to stay that way, the edge bouyancy resists righting the boat.</p>
<p>About kayak entrapment:  I&#8217;ve found the opposite, that I have difficulty staying in the kayak to complete the roll, never mind ever feeling trapped!<br />
If you relax at all, you simply fall out, your spray skirt releases and out you pop, you are now swimming beside a very difficult to re-enter narrow boat.  I&#8217;ve completed a kayak self-rescue circus act shinnying down the hole, while trying not to tip(without the benefit of a paddle to brace with- I actually did this once without a paddle-float), strapping myself in, applying the sprayskirt, (no easy task in large waves), putting a large bilge pump down through the skirt and pumping for about 20 minutes straight to get enough water out for the kayak to be paddleable. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s many people very proud of thier bomb-proof rolls. And with good reason!  They are a kayaker&#8217;s pinnacle achievement, maintaining your cool while water jets up into your sinuses, (unless you paddle everywhere wearing your noseclip) and thinking of the correct righting movement sequence while upside down, holding your breath, trying not to fall out, break the seal of your sprayskirt, while worried about the consequences&#8230;<br />
Now you really gotta respect those whitewater kayakers!  They wear a helmet for good reason! A whack to the head while carreening inverted downstream would mean you just don&#8217;t quite get to even try your bomb-proof roll!  They find you 15 miles downstream&#8230; I never quite got up the courage to do serious whitewater, and now I already have enough dings, I&#8217;ll stick to more relaxed pursuits, and have a little fun in the waves now and then&#8230;</p>
<p>How is the wavewalk when it gets swamped? How difficult is emptying the water and re-entry in rough conditions in water over your head?  It would seem to me that entry over either end between the hulls would be easy as pie, but how is it with two completely swamped pontoons and very little floatation? Maybe include a video of this on your website, as I&#8217;m sure many people considering your craft might be concerned about this.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly not as much as we deserve ;-)
Kayak fishermen have have pretty much &#039;adopted&#039; our W-kayak while we were still focused elsewhere. 
Jeff McGovern is a client who took upon himself to educate us about kayak fishing, and his direct contribution to our website, as well as indirect contribution through what he taught us has been a critical component in our success. 
Other customers turned fans and friends also contributed a lot - in their technical innovations, stories, ideas, comments and critique. 
It seems like one of the reasons this &#039;yak&#039; appeals so much to kayak fishermen is because it offers them great opportunities for fun &#039;rigging&#039; projects (&#039;outfitting&#039; in paddlers&#039; language).
Yoav</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly not as much as we deserve <img src='http://wavewalk.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Kayak fishermen have have pretty much &#8216;adopted&#8217; our W-kayak while we were still focused elsewhere.<br />
Jeff McGovern is a client who took upon himself to educate us about kayak fishing, and his direct contribution to our website, as well as indirect contribution through what he taught us has been a critical component in our success.<br />
Other customers turned fans and friends also contributed a lot &#8211; in their technical innovations, stories, ideas, comments and critique.<br />
It seems like one of the reasons this &#8216;yak&#8217; appeals so much to kayak fishermen is because it offers them great opportunities for fun &#8216;rigging&#8217; projects (&#8216;outfitting&#8217; in paddlers&#8217; language).<br />
Yoav</p>
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